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Caronavirus Starting to Impact Business

hhnyc77

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And it's not just about the mortality rate. It's about hospitalizations. Too many people needing medical attention at the same time. Medical workers are literally running out of beds, ventilators, and protective equipment. Keep in mind the mortality rate is a function of access to medical care. People will die who would have lived if they had gotten access to adequate care. Doctors and nurses will die trying to save them, because they don't have equipment to protect themselves.

At this point, I think it's reasonable for the moderators to start banning people who can't grasp this because they are a danger to society and all of our safety when they can spread their misinformation.
Exactly this.

Latest update from the significant other...before, they had to turn entire floors into exclusively Covid-19 floors but it is so rampant now, that they are being forced to turn the entire 1,000+ bed facility into one large unit. They have run out of ventilators, and they are losing patients left and right...all ages, even people with no underlying conditions...in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. If you’re over 60 and have an underlying illness, it is almost a CERTAINTY that you’re dead. People are dying in ambulances ON THE WAY to the hospital because the time when you start to feel symptoms until you die, can be a VERY short window of time.

I’m not telling you guys this from reading it from the news...there are TONS of articles of those already. This is firsthand information coming from the front-lines...I’m married to her.

Supplies are dangerously low, tons of her colleagues and other medical staff are in self-quarantine for being exposed, and we both want NOTHING more than for her to stay home but she cannot, because she needs to go to work to try to save lives. She is an emotional wreck every single day that she’s on shift...her patients are dropping like flies left and right. Pretty soon, they will be forced to triage and pick and choose who they can save or should save.

We don’t really hear about the cases of deaths of younger people, unless it’s reported in the media, like this poor little 12 year old girl who’s fighting for her life (no underlying conditions):

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html

The reality is that a good half or so of the Mrs. patients are people in their 50s and younger...and the agonizing pain they are exhibiting isn’t a joke. Of course, she has patients that will recover and make it too...but not all are. And they don’t know how it’ll affect each individual. I’ve been saying that a lot...but even if the risks are low, that’s not a chance I’m willing to take.

There are still tons of people who aren’t taking it seriously enough...to you folks, I sure hope no one around you gets affected before you wake up and get your heads of your asses.

You might feel young and healthy and invincible. Maybe you’ve already been infected, and going on with your life like nothing has happened because you haven’t felt sick. But in those two weeks, you could have inadvertently infected countless others...and 20% of those people have to be hospitalized and some of those will die because they’re older, have underlying health conditions (very common like heart or lung issues or autoimmune disease or diabetes or are a smoker or vaper), or just plain unlucky that this silent killer has taken their life.

Look, this is not a joke. This is also not a time for blame or attacking one another...there will be time for that later on. This is a time for us as a society to do what we can to try to further stop the spreading, and then eventually try to get in front of it, instead of trying to catch up to it. It will be financially/economically, emotionally and mentally tough...there’s no way around that. But we also need to survive first, and we can only do that by trying to contain it, though it may be too late for that already...at least try to prevent further spreading so that the health professionals aren’t overwhelmed like they are in Italy.

Stay the hell indoors...and if you must go out for essential food or supplies, wear a mask (if you have one)...forget their advice the CDC and nearly everyone is giving about not wearing one...it’s not gonna protect you but it IS better than not wearing one, along with gloves. Assume EVERYONE you come across as already infected, assume every single surface you touch has the virus living on it, and make sure you immediately disinfect yourself as you enter your house, clean all of your doorknobs and faucets and other surfaces, etc. Extreme measures, for sure, but extra caution is absolutely necessary. The best and ONLY thing we can do is to NOT get infected ourselves. Be safe all.
 

Uniquelyme

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Exactly this.

Latest update from the significant other...before, they had to turn entire floors into exclusively Covid-19 floors but it is so rampant now, that they are being forced to turn the entire 1,000+ bed facility into one large unit. They have run out of ventilators, and they are losing patients left and right...all ages, even people with no underlying conditions...in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. If you’re over 60 and have an underlying illness, it is almost a CERTAINTY that you’re dead. People are dying in ambulances ON THE WAY to the hospital because the time when you start to feel symptoms until you die, can be a VERY short window of time.

I’m not telling you guys this from reading it from the news...there are TONS of articles of those already. This is firsthand information coming from the front-lines...I’m married to her.

Supplies are dangerously low, tons of her colleagues and other medical staff are in self-quarantine for being exposed, and we both want NOTHING more than for her to stay home but she cannot, because she needs to go to work to try to save lives. She is an emotional wreck every single day that she’s on shift...her patients are dropping like flies left and right. Pretty soon, they will be forced to triage and pick and choose who they can save or should save.

We don’t really hear about the cases of deaths of younger people, unless it’s reported in the media, like this poor little 12 year old girl who’s fighting for her life (no underlying conditions):

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html

The reality is that a good half or so of the Mrs. patients are people in their 50s and younger...and the agonizing pain they are exhibiting isn’t a joke. Of course, she has patients that will recover and make it too...but not all are. And they don’t know how it’ll affect each individual. I’ve been saying that a lot...but even if the risks are low, that’s not a chance I’m willing to take.

There are still tons of people who aren’t taking it seriously enough...to you folks, I sure hope no one around you gets affected before you wake up and get your heads of your asses.

You might feel young and healthy and invincible. Maybe you’ve already been infected, and going on with your life like nothing has happened because you haven’t felt sick. But in those two weeks, you could have inadvertently infected countless others...and 20% of those people have to be hospitalized and some of those will die because they’re older, have underlying health conditions (very common like heart or lung issues or autoimmune disease or diabetes or are a smoker or vaper), or just plain unlucky that this silent killer has taken their life.

Look, this is not a joke. This is also not a time for blame or attacking one another...there will be time for that later on. This is a time for us as a society to do what we can to try to further stop the spreading, and then eventually try to get in front of it, instead of trying to catch up to it. It will be financially/economically, emotionally and mentally tough...there’s no way around that. But we also need to survive first, and we can only do that by trying to contain it, though it may be too late for that already...at least try to prevent further spreading so that the health professionals aren’t overwhelmed like they are in Italy.

Stay the hell indoors...and if you must go out for essential food or supplies, wear a mask (if you have one)...forget their advice the CDC and nearly everyone is giving about not wearing one...it’s not gonna protect you but it IS better than not wearing one, along with gloves. Assume EVERYONE you come across as already infected, assume every single surface you touch has the virus living on it, and make sure you immediately disinfect yourself as you enter your house, clean all of your doorknobs and faucets and other surfaces, etc. Extreme measures, for sure, but extra caution is absolutely necessary. The best and ONLY thing we can do is to NOT get infected ourselves. Be safe all.
Much respect and admiration to your wife. She is a true hero as are all the other medical professionals trying to contain this virus.
 

Erotes

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Exactly this.

Latest update from the significant other...before, they had to turn entire floors into exclusively Covid-19 floors but it is so rampant now, that they are being forced to turn the entire 1,000+ bed facility into one large unit. They have run out of ventilators, and they are losing patients left and right...all ages, even people with no underlying conditions...in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. If you’re over 60 and have an underlying illness, it is almost a CERTAINTY that you’re dead. People are dying in ambulances ON THE WAY to the hospital because the time when you start to feel symptoms until you die, can be a VERY short window of time.

I’m not telling you guys this from reading it from the news...there are TONS of articles of those already. This is firsthand information coming from the front-lines...I’m married to her.

Supplies are dangerously low, tons of her colleagues and other medical staff are in self-quarantine for being exposed, and we both want NOTHING more than for her to stay home but she cannot, because she needs to go to work to try to save lives. She is an emotional wreck every single day that she’s on shift...her patients are dropping like flies left and right. Pretty soon, they will be forced to triage and pick and choose who they can save or should save.

We don’t really hear about the cases of deaths of younger people, unless it’s reported in the media, like this poor little 12 year old girl who’s fighting for her life (no underlying conditions):

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html

The reality is that a good half or so of the Mrs. patients are people in their 50s and younger...and the agonizing pain they are exhibiting isn’t a joke. Of course, she has patients that will recover and make it too...but not all are. And they don’t know how it’ll affect each individual. I’ve been saying that a lot...but even if the risks are low, that’s not a chance I’m willing to take.

There are still tons of people who aren’t taking it seriously enough...to you folks, I sure hope no one around you gets affected before you wake up and get your heads of your asses.

You might feel young and healthy and invincible. Maybe you’ve already been infected, and going on with your life like nothing has happened because you haven’t felt sick. But in those two weeks, you could have inadvertently infected countless others...and 20% of those people have to be hospitalized and some of those will die because they’re older, have underlying health conditions (very common like heart or lung issues or autoimmune disease or diabetes or are a smoker or vaper), or just plain unlucky that this silent killer has taken their life.

Look, this is not a joke. This is also not a time for blame or attacking one another...there will be time for that later on. This is a time for us as a society to do what we can to try to further stop the spreading, and then eventually try to get in front of it, instead of trying to catch up to it. It will be financially/economically, emotionally and mentally tough...there’s no way around that. But we also need to survive first, and we can only do that by trying to contain it, though it may be too late for that already...at least try to prevent further spreading so that the health professionals aren’t overwhelmed like they are in Italy.

Stay the hell indoors...and if you must go out for essential food or supplies, wear a mask (if you have one)...forget their advice the CDC and nearly everyone is giving about not wearing one...it’s not gonna protect you but it IS better than not wearing one, along with gloves. Assume EVERYONE you come across as already infected, assume every single surface you touch has the virus living on it, and make sure you immediately disinfect yourself as you enter your house, clean all of your doorknobs and faucets and other surfaces, etc. Extreme measures, for sure, but extra caution is absolutely necessary. The best and ONLY thing we can do is to NOT get infected ourselves. Be safe all.
Thanks for sharing. Sadly I believe that we are bad at learning from others. In spite of the warnings from other countries we reacted too late. Many will still not internalize what you are saying until the numbers get worse. Only after we suffer through this pandemic, will we take the next one seriously.
 

hohohokus

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Exactly this.

Latest update from the significant other...before, they had to turn entire floors into exclusively Covid-19 floors but it is so rampant now, that they are being forced to turn the entire 1,000+ bed facility into one large unit. They have run out of ventilators, and they are losing patients left and right...all ages, even people with no underlying conditions...in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc. If you’re over 60 and have an underlying illness, it is almost a CERTAINTY that you’re dead. People are dying in ambulances ON THE WAY to the hospital because the time when you start to feel symptoms until you die, can be a VERY short window of time.

I’m not telling you guys this from reading it from the news...there are TONS of articles of those already. This is firsthand information coming from the front-lines...I’m married to her.

Supplies are dangerously low, tons of her colleagues and other medical staff are in self-quarantine for being exposed, and we both want NOTHING more than for her to stay home but she cannot, because she needs to go to work to try to save lives. She is an emotional wreck every single day that she’s on shift...her patients are dropping like flies left and right. Pretty soon, they will be forced to triage and pick and choose who they can save or should save.

We don’t really hear about the cases of deaths of younger people, unless it’s reported in the media, like this poor little 12 year old girl who’s fighting for her life (no underlying conditions):

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html

The reality is that a good half or so of the Mrs. patients are people in their 50s and younger...and the agonizing pain they are exhibiting isn’t a joke. Of course, she has patients that will recover and make it too...but not all are. And they don’t know how it’ll affect each individual. I’ve been saying that a lot...but even if the risks are low, that’s not a chance I’m willing to take.

There are still tons of people who aren’t taking it seriously enough...to you folks, I sure hope no one around you gets affected before you wake up and get your heads of your asses.

You might feel young and healthy and invincible. Maybe you’ve already been infected, and going on with your life like nothing has happened because you haven’t felt sick. But in those two weeks, you could have inadvertently infected countless others...and 20% of those people have to be hospitalized and some of those will die because they’re older, have underlying health conditions (very common like heart or lung issues or autoimmune disease or diabetes or are a smoker or vaper), or just plain unlucky that this silent killer has taken their life.

Look, this is not a joke. This is also not a time for blame or attacking one another...there will be time for that later on. This is a time for us as a society to do what we can to try to further stop the spreading, and then eventually try to get in front of it, instead of trying to catch up to it. It will be financially/economically, emotionally and mentally tough...there’s no way around that. But we also need to survive first, and we can only do that by trying to contain it, though it may be too late for that already...at least try to prevent further spreading so that the health professionals aren’t overwhelmed like they are in Italy.

Stay the hell indoors...and if you must go out for essential food or supplies, wear a mask (if you have one)...forget their advice the CDC and nearly everyone is giving about not wearing one...it’s not gonna protect you but it IS better than not wearing one, along with gloves. Assume EVERYONE you come across as already infected, assume every single surface you touch has the virus living on it, and make sure you immediately disinfect yourself as you enter your house, clean all of your doorknobs and faucets and other surfaces, etc. Extreme measures, for sure, but extra caution is absolutely necessary. The best and ONLY thing we can do is to NOT get infected ourselves. Be safe all.
I assume this is a hospital in NYC? Good luck to you and your Mrs. Here's hoping you get through it all and she is ok.
 

hhnyc77

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I assume this is a hospital in NYC? Good luck to you and your Mrs. Here's hoping you get through it all and she is ok.
Long Island...the flagship facility in their over 20 facilities...the largest health system in the area. Similar things are happening at other health systems in the region too. It's pretty desperate times when physicians and nurses and other technicians are contracting the virus while they're at work...mainly due to the lack of supplies, the extreme difficulty of getting people tested, and not physically being able to isolate the ones that are rule-outs (awaiting results but not yet confirmed infected). Because in the 3-4 days before the results come back, there aren't able to physically isolate those rule-outs, and leading to further potential spreading. A hospital that large and sophisticated shows just how unprepared we are.

So ban people with whom you disagree???
MmmmmKay....
I'm not suggesting we ban people for disagreeing, but I've always known you to be a reasonably guy when all is said and done, but the facts are that misinformation is a contributing factor and could have helped save lives. I'm not talking about misinformation on a random message board, but rather from the highest levels of Chinese and US government, and both countries' respective media. Maybe we wouldn't have been able to contain it, but people didn't have to lose their lives. With more to come...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/business/coronavirus-fox-news-lachlan-murdoch.html
 

hhnyc77

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This is the multi-pronged approach we need to take for us to be able to stop the virus:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-restrictions-us.html

For those who don't want to read the full article, the highlights are:

Scientists must be heard
Stop transmission between cities
Stop transmission within cities
Fix the testing mess
Isolate the infected
Find the fevers
Trace the contacts
Make masks ubiquitous
Preserve vital services
Produce ventilators and oxygen
Retrofit hospitals
Decide when to close schools
Recruit volunteers
Prioritize the treatments
Find a vaccine
Reach out to other nations


Terrifying though the coronavirus may be, it can be turned back. China, South Korea, Singapore and Taiwan have demonstrated that, with furious efforts, the contagion can be brought to heel.

Whether they can keep it suppressed remains to be seen. But for the United States to repeat their successes will take extraordinary levels of coordination and money from the country’s leaders, and extraordinary levels of trust and cooperation from citizens. It will also require international partnerships in an interconnected world.

There is a chance to stop the coronavirus. This contagion has a weakness.
Although there are incidents of rampant spread, as happened on the cruise ship Diamond Princess, the coronavirus more often infects clusters of family members, friends and work colleagues, said Dr. David L. Heymann, who chairs an expert panel advising the World Health Organization on emergencies.

No one is certain why the virus travels in this way, but experts see an opening nonetheless. “You can contain clusters,” Dr. Heymann said. “You need to identify and stop discrete outbreaks, and then do rigorous contact tracing.”

But doing so takes intelligent, rapidly adaptive work by health officials, and near-total cooperation from the populace. Containment becomes realistic only when Americans realize that working together is the only way to protect themselves and their loved ones. In interviews with a dozen of the world’s leading experts on fighting epidemics, there was wide agreement on the steps that must be taken immediately.

Those experts included international public health officials who have fought AIDS, malaria, tuberculosis, flu and Ebola; scientists and epidemiologists; and former health officials who led major American global health programs in both Republican and Democratic administrations.
Americans must be persuaded to stay home, they said, and a system put in place to isolate the infected and care for them outside the home. Travel restrictions should be extended, they said; productions of masks and ventilators must be accelerated, and testing problems must be resolved.

But tactics like forced isolation, school closings and pervasive GPS tracking of patients brought more divided reactions.

It was not at all clear that a nation so fundamentally committed to individual liberty and distrustful of government could learn to adapt to many of these measures, especially those that smack of state compulsion.

“The American way is to look for better outcomes through a voluntary system,” said Dr. Luciana Borio, who was director of medical and biodefense preparedness for the National Security Council before it was disbanded in 2018.

“I think you can appeal to people to do the right thing.”

In the week since the interviews began, remarkable changes have come over American life. State governments are telling residents they must stay home. Nonessential businesses are being shuttered.

The streets are quieter than they have been in generations, and even friends keep a wary distance. What seemed unthinkable just a week ago is rapidly becoming the new normal.

What follows are the recommendations offered by the experts interviewed by The Times.
 

yougen

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@hhnyc77, Thank you for the information. I believe none of us want the government make decisions on who lives and who dies, but when the medical resources are overwhelmed, this could happen, and it is happening now in Italy, where the hospitals simply stopped treating patients over 60 or 65. So we need to do everything possible to avoid the virus in the first place since no one knows how you would react to the infection even if you are healthy and not that old.
 

krideynyc

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@hhnyc77 Like the others, your info has been very helpful. But I just want to add one critical part that would help make people understand the severity. Those in ICU today caught the virus up to two weeks ago. It typically takes that long for the severe symptoms to develop. Some can get there much faster. Even with the lockdown last week, we'll need to wait for another two weeks to see how effective this lockdown was in helping to lower the spread.
 

findinit

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We all have a responsibility to our families, our neighbors, and our society to do our part. At this point, given all that is at stake, it's reasonable to have a pinned thread with links to the World Health Organization and the CDC so that people with questions can inform themselves. After that, I hope that anybody posting false or misleading information about Covid-19 gets banned.
 

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My 2 cents.I agree with the precautions as my loved ones work in the field and they are truly overwhelmed, mostly due to human stupidity.We can not stop it we can only slow it down. It is truly Ming blowing on how people can’t follow simple instructions.
On the other hand, it also is quite outrageous on how we how we can stick our cocks(some of us out tongues as well) in any hole we can find that thousands have been at this same hole and be this worried about catching a strain of the flu from a provider.Funny they are just as worried about this.Blows my mind they they are not this worried about STD’s??????
 

didi88

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My 2 cents.I agree with the precautions as my loved ones work in the field and they are truly overwhelmed, mostly due to human stupidity.We can not stop it we can only slow it down. It is truly Ming blowing on how people can’t follow simple instructions.
On the other hand, it also is quite outrageous on how we how we can stick our cocks(some of us out tongues as well) in any hole we can find that thousands have been at this same hole and be this worried about catching a strain of the flu from a provider.Funny they are just as worried about this.Blows my mind they they are not this worried about STD’s??????
I’ve had the same thoughts about this. For Chinese providers, it might have something to do with the fact that this epidemic was more personal, affecting their families and homeland. And also because China has experienced these epidemics before. So they might somehow view this as a more serious threat. Not saying it makes sense to think that way, but that might explain their mindset
 

seefunk

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Wall street guy here, going to go on an airline rant for a second because I hear everyone talking about it daily making them sound like spawns of Satan...

The airlines need a bailout. Too important of an industry to fail. This isn't 2008 where banks acted irresponsibly and ultimately caused a credit crisis. This is the definition of a black swan event no one saw coming. However, I do think airlines should be regulated the way banks are after 2008 with capital/liquidity requirements. You could nationalize the airlines since there are really only a few major players.

The ONLY reason people invest in airlines is because they issue dividends and share buybacks (think of it as another form of dividend). It's not the industries fault they constantly go bankrupt. It's due to the nature of the industry. They are capital intensive, utility-like companies that are so highly regulated, scrutinized and commoditized it's a wonder they are even able to operate in first place....shitty business to be in, but someone's gotta do it. I have owned airlines before because they offered very high rates of return of capital. Airlines are obviously an industry that must exist. If airlines didn't return a ton of capital to investors no one would touch them.

https://markets.businessinsider.com...bate-trump-economy-aoc-2020-3-1029006175?op=1

Stock buybacks used to be illegal, until the Regan era.
If airlines and other companies didn't spend their cash on buybacks, they probably wouldn't need tax payers to bail them out every time the economy nose dives.
In 2008 tax payers bailed out the large corporations and banks and they used almost all of it on stock buy backs. That rigs the stock price, resulting in big gains for CEOs and board members. Result is now they don't have cash on hand and workers saw nearly none of it.

Now the stock market tumbles and all the value of the bailout money is gone. Lit on fire.
The CEOs and board members? Probably moved on to other cows to milk.

And now they want another bailout?

 

findinit

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https://markets.businessinsider.com...bate-trump-economy-aoc-2020-3-1029006175?op=1

Stock buybacks used to be illegal, until the Regan era.
If airlines and other companies didn't spend their cash on buybacks, they probably wouldn't need tax payers to bail them out every time the economy nose dives.
In 2008 tax payers bailed out the large corporations and banks and they used almost all of it on stock buy backs. That rigs the stock price, resulting in big gains for CEOs and board members. Result is now they don't have cash on hand and workers saw nearly none of it.

Now the stock market tumbles and all the value of the bailout money is gone. Lit on fire.
The CEOs and board members? Probably moved on to other cows to milk.

And now they want another bailout?

They can hold us hostage. Repeatedly and systematically, and they have every incentive to do it. We have to break that cycle somehow. Is now the time? I don't know the answer to that, but I do know we as a society can't continue like this much longer.
 
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