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Bob Kraft certainly turned it around
- Thread starter Camaro13
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He was just looking for a trip to china so he could get a massage with a Happy Ending and not have to pay a fortune in Legal Fees. The poor guy could have bought millions of masks with the money he spent on lawyers.
Fighting red tape at a time like this makes you really wonder WTF are any governments thinking?
I am wondering how Mr Kraft has access to 1.2M masks with the entire world screaming for them? This could be a public/private publicity stunt.
I do not buy it that an owner of a football team has any clout/pull in the medical industry and china. Come on people, can't you see a Khan job when it is put in front of you?
Fighting red tape at a time like this makes you really wonder WTF are any governments thinking?
I am wondering how Mr Kraft has access to 1.2M masks with the entire world screaming for them? This could be a public/private publicity stunt.
I do not buy it that an owner of a football team has any clout/pull in the medical industry and china. Come on people, can't you see a Khan job when it is put in front of you?
Rules and regulations at the federal level are usually driven by financial interests. Happens all the time in EVERY industry. N95 mask is a US company, KN95 is a chinese company. The rules and regulations are set into place to protect a market/companies not the citizens.
Every country does this. Eurpoean Union is the king of locking markets.
https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media...filtering-facepiece-respirator-classes-tb.pdf
After reading the specs on these masks, would any country question the ability of any of them in fighting a pandemic?
This is absolutely not a US problem, it is absolutely not a president problem. It is a problem every single country in the world has at fighting to protect special interests. Our system does not have a switch to turn on and off the protectionism acts. You basically need politicians to stand up and say FU, sue me, which they are finally starting to do.
When you break down the basic function of a ventilator, you want to cry at the thought that a cell phone interfaced to some sensors and air pressure regulators can cost so much and take so long to produce. it is the ton of paperwork and quality, and redundancy to make sure it does not fail. We are in a state where six sigma quality will cost us way more lives than it will save.
Every country does this. Eurpoean Union is the king of locking markets.
https://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media...filtering-facepiece-respirator-classes-tb.pdf
After reading the specs on these masks, would any country question the ability of any of them in fighting a pandemic?
This is absolutely not a US problem, it is absolutely not a president problem. It is a problem every single country in the world has at fighting to protect special interests. Our system does not have a switch to turn on and off the protectionism acts. You basically need politicians to stand up and say FU, sue me, which they are finally starting to do.
When you break down the basic function of a ventilator, you want to cry at the thought that a cell phone interfaced to some sensors and air pressure regulators can cost so much and take so long to produce. it is the ton of paperwork and quality, and redundancy to make sure it does not fail. We are in a state where six sigma quality will cost us way more lives than it will save.
Interesting story on how complex this whole plane thing was to put together. Tencent, helped by providing team in China for logistics. Tencent is wechat and QQ. wondering if Kraft uses wechat to chat to his Florida honeys.
https://www.patriots.com/news/a-patriotic-mission-team-plane-completes-humanitarian-flight-to-china
https://www.patriots.com/news/a-patriotic-mission-team-plane-completes-humanitarian-flight-to-china
it is a USA problem, and sure it is a problem in some countries but not all.
do you know about this:
https://oxvent.org/2020/04/01/oxven...vernment-to-proceed-to-next-stage-of-testing/
no problem thinking out of the box in the uk, and actually this design is going forward in other countries. Good luck starting it here. In other countries you have medical experts telling governments what’s needed and governments cutting red tape. Here we have Jared Kushner hoarding equipment and selecting who gets them. It’s politics at its finest. I think it is a problem a good president would solve. But I won’t argue politics.
took 2 weeks to design. uses stuff readily available, and more of that 3D printing. Completely open design, I could build them myself in my barn, like many many other people.
When will it get certified in USA? Probably never, because no way for rich people to make money off of it. But I bet they are going to start showing up in hospitals and nursing homes soon.....
do you know about this:
https://oxvent.org/2020/04/01/oxven...vernment-to-proceed-to-next-stage-of-testing/
no problem thinking out of the box in the uk, and actually this design is going forward in other countries. Good luck starting it here. In other countries you have medical experts telling governments what’s needed and governments cutting red tape. Here we have Jared Kushner hoarding equipment and selecting who gets them. It’s politics at its finest. I think it is a problem a good president would solve. But I won’t argue politics.
took 2 weeks to design. uses stuff readily available, and more of that 3D printing. Completely open design, I could build them myself in my barn, like many many other people.
When will it get certified in USA? Probably never, because no way for rich people to make money off of it. But I bet they are going to start showing up in hospitals and nursing homes soon.....
We, and most countries in the world, were using those masks before the pandemic in routine hospital settings, including surgery. Unless the production quality drastically decreased, they should work just fine. A new non-N95 mask is way safer than a N95 mask that has been re-used several times because of shortages.
The disturbing news that States now have to bid against FEMA for those same masks needs to be looked into. We're at a declared National Emergency. That means the Federal Govt has assumed respsonsibility to coordinate whatever is needed to get through this. Having States bidding against a Federal Agency should not be part of that process.
The disturbing news that States now have to bid against FEMA for those same masks needs to be looked into. We're at a declared National Emergency. That means the Federal Govt has assumed respsonsibility to coordinate whatever is needed to get through this. Having States bidding against a Federal Agency should not be part of that process.
And to add: Why are we having a shortage of critical PPE? We have idled manufacturing capacity not being utilized. Only the Federal agency can implement DPA to order companies to manufacture PPE's. Once there is enough, no one needs to bid against each other. And now with the White House and the CDC recommending that masks be worn when outside, demand will way exceed what the medical system will ever need.
I was talking to a friend Thursday who works in computers at one of the hard hit hospitals. His job requires him to go into areas where patient care is done. he has a cloth mask he has to wear all day for his job. But for the journeys into patient care, he was given 1 n95 mask, 3 weeks ago and told to reuse it. He’s used it everyday for three weeks. They have to save what they have for the medical staff.
I wanted to mention this too:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/fda-china-kn95-us-certain-criteria/index.html
a real shitstorm of public pressure developed on this kn95 mask/ respirator thing and forced the fda to approve them for coming in. It didn’t happen because our government was proactive. It happened because the public got involved with hospitals and forced the fda to change a politically motivated and very stupid decision. Hoping that soon we can have regular cargo planes transporting gear in instead of nfl team planes.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/03/politics/fda-china-kn95-us-certain-criteria/index.html
a real shitstorm of public pressure developed on this kn95 mask/ respirator thing and forced the fda to approve them for coming in. It didn’t happen because our government was proactive. It happened because the public got involved with hospitals and forced the fda to change a politically motivated and very stupid decision. Hoping that soon we can have regular cargo planes transporting gear in instead of nfl team planes.
Totally.
I've been printing masks here with basic ingredients that hospital people up here have been using. that design could be easily mass produced. a couple of us up here in the community supporting our local hospital are playing with a new design for public use thats cloth based with a pouch that holds that furnace filter thing again. It's also not hard to do, and i dont see why it cant be mass produced in any clothing factory. If we have any factories left. We have millions of unemployed people. Roosevelt put lots of them to work in the 30s doing manually intensive inefficient work. I dont see why we dont have people who are unemployed getting compensated extra for doing piece work assemblying these.
I've been printing masks here with basic ingredients that hospital people up here have been using. that design could be easily mass produced. a couple of us up here in the community supporting our local hospital are playing with a new design for public use thats cloth based with a pouch that holds that furnace filter thing again. It's also not hard to do, and i dont see why it cant be mass produced in any clothing factory. If we have any factories left. We have millions of unemployed people. Roosevelt put lots of them to work in the 30s doing manually intensive inefficient work. I dont see why we dont have people who are unemployed getting compensated extra for doing piece work assemblying these.
When we locked down the family, I ordered a couple of boxes of medical masks (non-N95). But we ran out late last month. Good thing I found a source of PM2.5 filters and stocked up. A quick look on Youtube yielded lots of videos on how to sew masks for the filters. It took a matter of 5 minutes to sew together a cloth mask for these inserts to fit and work at near N95 capability. We're making more for people that have requested it, as well as spares, for when they need to be washed. But if you don't have access to a sewing machine, you can easily just fold the scarf around a filter to get the same level of protection.
PM2.5 is a particle size. there's a second number that measures the percent of blockage of particles that size, something like merv-12, hepa, or n95, etc. I'm curious if you know that percent blockage number for what you use. for medical use we've been stacking merv 12 and merv 13 filters. Very effective. If we get them fitted right, we think they are better than N95.
but it makes something like a gas mask sized device in front of your face thats unwieldy. And there is downtime for cleaning and filter replacement. for the cloth filters were playing with merv 8 and merv 12 filters, in a cloth pouch. the breathability has been the issue. its a lot more safe if we use the higher level blocking filters, but were worried that the people that need it most, the elderly will take them off because its constricting their breathing. We can adapt, but we dont really have time to market test. the peak here comes next week. In some ways we are already too late.
but it makes something like a gas mask sized device in front of your face thats unwieldy. And there is downtime for cleaning and filter replacement. for the cloth filters were playing with merv 8 and merv 12 filters, in a cloth pouch. the breathability has been the issue. its a lot more safe if we use the higher level blocking filters, but were worried that the people that need it most, the elderly will take them off because its constricting their breathing. We can adapt, but we dont really have time to market test. the peak here comes next week. In some ways we are already too late.