ravager....as I think I mentioned somewhere....its like cheating without the guilt. I actually....and most swinging guys are the same...its an actual turn on to see your wife driving a guy nuts. Making him lose his fucking mind. You can sit back and know that that dude knows that you have a firecracker at home! I often watched her have sex with others. Quite often when you meet other single couples.....many times someone will insist on all four of you in the same room because someone is still a little uncomfortable with being in seperate rooms....so you almost can't avoid watching your mate have sex with someone else. Its actually not that big of a deal. When you consider the virtually unlimited amount of women that are available in swinging...its a tradeoff that you have to decide if its worth it. I enjoyed probably close to 200 different women over the course of the five years we swung....to me...the excitement and achievement of that is well worth the deal that my wife was enjoying the same thing. I will go so far as to say that it improved our marriage (not that it needed improving) by the fact that everything was totally above board and it allowed so much freedom and trust in each other. I will always insist that it improved our relationship! I loved those five years! They were incredibly intoxicating.