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Your thoughts.. What makes a provider more providing ?

mikemendez

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Good massage skill, good hygiene, great ass, pretty smile and nothing off limits during 90 minute session. Emphasis on nothing sensual off limits.
 

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its either money or attraction. if your throw wads around then you're getting better service just like anywhere else. if you're attractive, you're getting more just like with any girl. if you're comparing money vs attraction. it entirely depends on how much money we're talking about. there's a certain dollar amount that will make everything else less important.
 

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its either money or attraction. if your throw wads around then you're getting better service just like anywhere else. if you're attractive, you're getting more just like with any girl. if you're comparing money vs attraction. it entirely depends on how much money we're talking about. there's a certain dollar amount that will make everything else less important.
See Harvey Weinstein as proof of your statement.
If we go outside of the provider/client realm here, I would say that 8 figure net worth is necessary to trump looks.
Guys with an 8 figure net worth can pretty much get any girl they want, no matter their looks. She might cheat on him, yes. But he will get her for a while, anyway.
Unfortunately attaining an 8 figure net worth is pretty much unattainable for most of us, myself included.
 

VJLUTZ

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Initially, it's looks, appearance, cleanliness and attitude. As far as looks goes, you don't have to be Brad Pitt (someone that good looks has no need for an AMP anyway), but you should be above average. Certainly above average with respect to the other AMP clients. It certainly does not hurt if you appear "successful"; this means: dress well, talk cogently, have a sharp-looking watch and flash the car keys for luxury brand automobile (preferably German). You should also complement the successful appearance with a good tip. If you think she is ATF material, don't be cheap.

Later, it's personality. Just about ALL women dig a man with a sense of humor. Which is why its vital to get her WeChat/KTalk ID and start texting her.

None of these things is rocket science. You can try to buy her affections with $$ (that's pretty surefire), but you will get the most bang-for-the buck if you project the whole package.
 

TGBeldin

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It helps to pick someone that you are attracted to and can communicate with easily.

After that, being respectful, listening to their stories and most importantly, having repeat visits. You get more as a reg than a rando.
Spot on.

Talking with a lot of providers who I have not seen professionally and have no reason to BS me I get a pretty consistent story that matches what you say.

A good 1st impression depends upon three things:
--Are you cheap? (You don't have to tip outrageously, but don't be cheap)
--Do you treat her with respect, and like a real person? (Respect boundaries, smile, be polite--which varies by culture and region--don't be a jerk, don't try to overstay your welcome, read her non-verbals.)
--Are you clean? (Self explanatory)

After that, see Bit's comments above.

Age, looks, don't matter much to most the women, though some have preferences, biases, etc., just as most people do. Big $$ tips will indeed get you more services with most women. But a small gift that shows you were paying attention and shows you picked it out specifically for her will often get you more than a extra tip that costs twice as much as the gift.
 

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@TGBeldin

You talk to providers with whom you do not book sessions??? Not sure I understand that remark. How would you even have contact with them if you are not seeing them professionally?
Is It like a pen pal arrangement? Or are these women you used to see, but not any longer? Not being sarcastic here, just seems a bit odd. To me, anyway.
 

Koondog

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For Jersey guys able and motivated to travel I will throw in a tip: If you have seen a girl in your local spa a few times and things have gone pretty well, see if she also works in Flushing during the week as well. Go see her where she works in Flushing. You'll be glad you did.

I have done this with 3 differently girls recently and the results were off the charts. They really are quite flattered that you have traveled that distance just to see them. It shows them that you care somewhat about them and they tend to see you in a different light.

After doing this, two of the 3 took me to their apartments in Flushing and ALL said when they have time off are very happy to stay at my home in NJ.

Could be just a stroke of good luck, but just passing this along for others that might be willing to put in the effort for some nice rewards.
 

Srhsrh

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There's a couple things I'd single out as being most important in a provider.

One is ignoring the money side of the transaction. No negotiating, no whining about why less tip this time versus last time, none of the alignment of specific services to the tip.

No feeling of being on the clock. she manages the session properly so we are done relatively close to the expected time. sometimes less, sometimes more. It comes out in the end.

Every session is a little different. could be a different massage, could be that she's real aggressive sometimes. teases sometimes, other times not. It gives me the sense that she isnt mailing it in, she's responding to what i am in the mood for.
 

VJLUTZ

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No feeling of being on the clock. she manages the session properly so we are done relatively close to the expected time. sometimes less, sometimes more. It comes out in the end.
I agree about how nice it is to feel like the girl is not on the clock. Too many girls have a script that they follow that makes the whole thing seem rehearsed (which it no doubt is). To me, it only feels like you are not ON the clock if she truly does not seem to care about time. My favorite providers are the ones who let the session go overtime, sometimes up to 30 minutes over. I typically do the TS at the end (to get all the spa smells off me) and one well-reviewed provider used to spend almost a half hour in there with me (which was the best part of the session).

Of course, it depends on how busy the spa is. If other customers are waiting (and you can tell by how often the doorbell sounds), that's not going to happen and that's fine. But assuming the joint is empty, if she really is an ATF and you are taking good care of her, going over time should be one of the perks you get.

@Koondog - That's a good tip. Unfortunately, for some of us, we can waste half the day traveling back and forth to Flushing. Especially on a weekday.
 

TGBeldin

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@TGBeldin

You talk to providers with whom you do not book sessions??? Not sure I understand that remark. How would you even have contact with them if you are not seeing them professionally?
Is It like a pen pal arrangement? Or are these women you used to see, but not any longer? Not being sarcastic here, just seems a bit odd. To me, anyway.
Fair question, and the answer is a bit of "all the above".

I've been at this a long time, and I've seen a lot of women. Become friends with a number of them, and been invited part way into their "real life" circles some times--but as has been said here by others, I am not stupid enough to drop the lady friend for one of her friends.

There are rules: I meet other provider friends of hers, but it is RW. I get to talk with them as people, not providers. After a while I get accepted as a "not an outsider". It helps that I will often do "friend things" for them, like their taxes, investment advice, some basic home/apartment repair, give them a ride, let them stay in my spare room when they vacation where I live (it is something of a tourist location), etc.

The other group of women are the pen-pal types from TER, ECCIE, or women I used to see who retired/moved on. Some moved overseas to places I do not travel.

The final group are younger women--friends, relatives, acquaintances of women in the business I already know. The ones I know ask me to meet the new woman and give her a couple hour pitch i have put together about "a guy's perspective on escorts", with a healthy dose of a guy's expectations, bookkeeping, marketing, safety, setting prices, etc. The women do educate the new ones, but also ask that i touch on those topics from a different POV. In these cases I do not have sex with the young woman, and my only charge is a large Starbuck's or equivalent--though often the older woman who sent the younger one will volunteer a free intimate "thank you" which I have been known to accept.
 

VJLUTZ

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But a small gift that shows you were paying attention and shows you picked it out specifically for her will often get you more than a extra tip that costs twice as much as the gift.
Maybe. But the more popular girls get a LOT of gifts, sometimes very expensive. So giving a small gift may not endear you to her as much as you think. It also sucks when you go out and shop for a "special" gift (which can take time and mental effort) and then she gives you a slightly dismissive look when you give it to her. It happens.

I do agree that you should distinguish yourself in a positive way from the crowd. Texting and humor are ideal ways to do that and they don't cost anything and you can do it during your idle time (like when you are bored silly in a meeting). If you do it enough, you can recycle engaging conversations and schtick between different providers.
 

Koondog

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Interesting what you find out on this board. I really had no idea there are so many of us giving gifts to amp girls at the spas. I have heard from some that they really don't appreciate it and the girls tend to laugh about it amongst themselves at the spas so it's not something I do anymore. Years back I tried picking out gifts which I thought would go over big for a couple amp girls I was seeing and they ended up hating what I got them.
 

Koondog

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Can you imagine, a guy goes out of his way---spends his time and money getting a gift for a girl then when he leaves the girl shows it to her colleagues at the spa and they all have a good laugh over it? I have witnessed this on more than one occasion. Guess they never heard of "it's the thought that counts".
 

mikemendez

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Not so strange, to gift things to a provider, especially if she doesn’t accept more tip amount than a standard HJ when she does FS, (only did for me, LOL) speaking of UTR non FS foot and body massage shops. She likes nice clothes, whenever I’m shopping I’ll pick out a couple items with her in mind. Thing is finding clothes in her size can be difficult at times, size Extra small and size 5 shoes which are a bit easier to come across than the clothes. Some of these girls are also friends, with benefits, but friends nonetheless. There were some I made it a point to keep only as a transaction.
 
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